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Yes, we are all test monkeys in this experiment from the admin's site!

This is what I wrote in response:
"part of the test to not let people opt out" - what do you mean, is this some kind of hostage situation?

What kind of reactions is it you want to trigger? And why?

Let me tell you, if you check the feed back site you'll see what reactions your test has triggered so far - frustration, annoyance, sadness, anger and all kind of negative emotions, The emoticons, before you guys removed them showed that about 90% of the parttakers were negative. Wasn't that enough to abort the experiment already a month ago?

And it's not only about the faulty site in itself, but the way people have randomly been selected out to become test subjects in your sick games, and not having ANY say about it. Nobody have been asked if they were interested in participating, nobody have recieved any boon in return for the hazzle and when people, like me, want out, we find that you have locked us all in. What kind of treatment is that? Lack of respect is not enough words for what that is. And a lot of us are paying customers being used in this rude way.

Besides, I am not interested in parttaking in some kind of psychological experiment. I want to use this site to post my art work and my writing, not being some kind of involuntary and unpaid test subject to some mysterious test. I feel so totally :analprobe:

And when it comes to technical means, well then go grab someone who HAS it and then have them fixing my connection so I can use the regular site instead of this abomination!

For Gods sake, stop this now! Give us the Christmas gift to have our old, reliable submission site back and spare us more tears and frustration!
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YS-Liliumsynth Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013   Writer
not to mention this is a mysterious test coming from a mysterious bunch of people we only know as "dA-admins".:shrug:

At first I really don't wanna say this, but AFTER READING what you said here, I need to say this NOW:

:icondeviantartplz: :iconequalsplz: :iconswastikaplz:

Nobody wants to see that swastika alright, but with how these dA-admins juz, as you said, disrespectful is an understatement.



btw, there's a petition site here~~> [link]

aims to get 100,000 signatures needed to slap these dA-admins so...yeah.:nod:
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LuckyLilith Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013
Yes, I'm so over it - and yes I did sign the petition. I just hope they can get bothered listen to us, or if they are just gonna keep slipping the finger at us.
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YS-Liliumsynth Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013   Writer
they'll probably won't listen anyway...-_-

I appreciate the signing ofc~~^^ :hug: thank you.:glomp:
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LuckyLilith Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013
Welcome! After all I'm so over the way they just screw us over
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YS-Liliumsynth Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013   Writer
:iconsympathyplz: that's juz bad...ya know...this site used to be one of the very best. :iconsighingplz:
I did heard from one of the old deviants here (like those who's been here for around 6 years or more) that the dA-admins are different people now compared to the REAL and ORIGINAL dA-admins.:iconsighingplz:
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LuckyLilith Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2013
That's probably true. When I came one here quite long ago and on another account, it was more of a community. And it was about ART and where people actually TALKED with each other about art, and when you filed a bug report you got a respectful response instead of some a****ole talking down to you. And there wasn't all those llamas and cakes and points and other bling bling taking your attention and energy from the art.
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YS-Liliumsynth Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013   Writer
:iconsighingplz: that's juz depressing ya know...:no:

anywayz, those original dA-admins, how could they leave this site and entrust it to a bunch of facebook-users who now call themselves as "admins"?:facepalm:

anywayz, well ya...guess all those bling-bling nonsense here juz proves that dA has changed for the worse...:no:

well, we're still here though (and the other deviants who shares these sentiments)...that's what counts I guess...:iconsighingplz: :cling:
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LuckyLilith Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013
Yes, but we are getting more and more annoyed and distressed for every day it seems. And I'm founding myself using other services out there more and more, like Box and so on. For instance if I need to create a synopsis cloud (where people comes together to create a storyline for a live roleplay or perhaps a TV-serie) I don't direct people here anymore because it has been too complicated to use and to cluttery.
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mishihime Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This is not an uncommon practice. Everytime google, youtube or facebook changes something it's usually for good and most people complain about it. Why is everyone so surprised that this site is acting like every other site? Honestly, I'm used to the treatment. Eventually, they will fix the bugs. I can understand why they need everyone to use it so they can figure out the issues with it. If everyone stopped using it, how would they know what's wrong with it?
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LuckyLilith Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
Yes, but this is not 'for good' - here they have taken a perfectly fine (well almost, there were a few minor bugs) submission page and replacing it with an abomiation which does not work and which is unusably for the major part of the people, and when you point it out to them you are either met with rude comments like this or you're being completely ignored.
What's uncommon practice in this case is their attitude against us, they have been nothing but either ignorant or outright rude since this insanity started. And now it has been going for 3 months! 3 months when we who are paying for it are paying for a faulty product. If I buy a car and it doesn't drive or if I buy milk and its bad I return it to the store and get my money back , but here I cannot return my submission and get my money back because of the submission page insanity!
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mishihime Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If I were you I would ask for the time the errors last to be recredited back to your subscription. They might honor that request. In any case, the best thing you can do is to band together with other people having the issues and try to discover why they are happening. I don't think you're wrong for reaching out to the admins, but to continually pursue them after they seem to have little interest helping you is a bit futile. Again, I think you are justified to be upset. I just think these kinds of journals that you and other users have been putting out, and the comments people are sending them are a waste of time because now the admins wont even talk to people.
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LuckyLilith Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
No, that's quite sad, they don't respect us. They drafted us to a test panel, but what the hell is the use of a test panel if you don't pay attention to their issues. That was why I wanted out, I proviced to nothing in the test panel but the admins refuse to let me go. I don't see the logic. I just fell as flipped the finger at. And I get so goddamn mad!
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LuckyLilith Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
Yes, but this is not 'for good' - here they have taken a perfectly fine (well almost, there were a few minor bugs) submission page and replacing it with an abomiation which does not work
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Crystellia Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
Considering all of the negative feed back. You'd expect them to get off of their high horse and try to get us off of it! I mean literally it's been up for over two months! For that that long I haven't been able to submit a single picture. I was submitting everyday almost on here. Jack offs!
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LuckyLilith Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
Yes, it's ridicilous, now we're at 3 months soon! And I'm so #%& over it! I just want the normal back so I can post my work.

I haven't posted anything since the day before Christmas, and then I had five pictures, and it took me 6 hour to get them up. Either they were just stashing until I aborted or they uploaded but then they didn't show up at all. The deviation was there but with an empty pic :frustrated: and since you cannot change main file anymore, I had to delete the deviation agains and start all over! Frankly I'm so over it by now I've stopped posting completely
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Crystellia Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
I just used Chrome to upload and it went insanely fast
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LuckyLilith Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
& for me it 'uploads' so many times, but then it's nothing there. Or it freezes. You got lucky pal!
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Crystellia Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
yeah
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Convicted-Sanity Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2012
I love how they are so desperate of wanting us the stay here and then they do this to lure us away from this site.


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mishihime Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What you said makes no sense. Honestly, they have so many users that a hundred people could leave and I doubt it would make any difference. Staff doesn't really directly interfere with your life.
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Convicted-Sanity Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
:iconfacepalmplz: Oh wow...

I know that it won't interfear with my life, I'm talking about being on the site. It has nothing to do with me personally.

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mishihime Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
My point was that the staff aren't really desperate for you to stay even if you have a sub.
Frankly, I don't think they care if you leave.
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Convicted-Sanity Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
Yeah I don't even remember my old comment because it's old news....
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LuckyLilith Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012
Yes, it's strange - totally over my poor head!
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CrescentNubila Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012
Yep. We're being "held hostage" and being forced to use this new submission page. It doesn't take a mega genius from the BILLIONS of negative feedback to know that MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT! >.<

I hate to say this, but after fussing and leaving bad feedback, I'm just going to suck it up and deal with it.

It's just like YouTube when they needlessly change things up.
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mishihime Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
'Held Hostage'? What?

No one's holding a gun to your head. You're not going to die. I think it's completely insensitive to compare this to a horrible situation where innocent people end up dying under the hands of a psychopath. Especially, since there has been school shootings in the news recently.

Really the page change is not a big deal. I understand you're frustrated but don't exaggerate it out of proportions. It's not some big travesty. It's a web page with a few bugs. They will fix it in enough time.
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Barrocco Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Listen, there are worse things than death. People are at the hand of psychopaths witch obviously is out to distress the sensitivity of the soul. In other words kill the creativity by forcing people into things they do not want. They are against democracy and obviously are they psychopaths. I mean, come on. It's worse to be a mental hostage because one fear to leave a community than being killed by someone. Getting killed one at least get over with. It is a big deal and should concern everyone because it goes against human rights of liberty and democracy. If they don't listen, then why the hell should people stay? It's not just some hundreds that will leave... if this is going to change to all devi users as they proclaim over half will leave. Perhaps only 10% blue eyed people will remain.
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Barrocco Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
As I see it they still haven't solved anything...
Though at least the one thing they ditched has come back (finally). I did not compare it to torture, but death of freedom. If they were honest people, they would test it, and if it satisfied the user, it would be fine. However, they chose another approach, and it was not a "fine" approach. Still I do not trust deviantart. Such a site as this has lost my respect. I'm not even certain I want to share my work through a site like this at all. However, as a main function and asset has returned, I might start posting again. Already I chose to share again, seeing this coming back, though... as devi has lost my trust, why should I share what I work so hard to achive on this site? It can happen again. This place, for my work, for what I love, I do not wish it the uncertainty this site gives.
Yet... I remain, as a faint fairy at the outside of a storm, considering if it's worth flying in those winds anymore.

It's about common respect, and such I do not feel. The user is not what I have a issue with, but the weary "owners" who chose to cast people into this sense of insecurity.
When would it happen again? Will this place feel free again? I'd rather not be chained to one site like this again, it's liberating to know what this site would do facing it's users. Change is good? Change can be many things, sometimes good, sometimes bad. From nothing to life, from life to death. I have seen this site become the turmoil of death. Death for imagination. Restriction on work... restriction on the thing that make me breath. The change was perhaps good for them, but not for those out there who felt it wronged them. Wouldn't it be better if people had a choice? Becoming a tyrant is not part of art. It's ugly, and is not befitting of any artist of this world. So I consider the change a ugly one. From a face of cute worth my respect, devi became a monster not worth much of my time.

I consider it a shame for something with such a great opportunity.
It really could have been something... but it turned to what everything else is. It's not art. It's not cute or nice anymore, it's just cold. A cold money driven corporation who no longer has a worth.

Of course the changes are acceptable right now, however I do not care for this site like I used to.
Mental unstability is what create art you know, so who cares if I am insane. Everyone are insane, but it's insanity which make art beautiful. The glimmers of that beauty which I doubt one as you can see. I mean you felt what they did was right, of course you can not see why someone you protect is hideous.

And know, I follow other sites, more than I do this site.
Trust is not given easy, especially not from artists. The options I have are to be myself, and unlike you I am free, I have choices, for I know art by soul. It's who I am.
Call me insane, but at least I am not bound to any such place as this. For me it really would be hell if I knew not many places to share of my soul.
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mishihime Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"They are against democracy and obviously are they psychopaths."

Uhhhhhhh this statement alone is enough to make me question your sanity ^^;

No, they are a business concerned with making money. Honestly, there are so many members here the few having issues, even if they all left wouldn't hurt their company. The fact is that they spent (for whatever stupid reason) a lot of time and money developing the new page, and aren't going to scrap it just because a couple hundred people want them to. That's not psychotic. It's what facebook, google, youtube and a bunch of other websites I use do. I'm not agreeing with it either. However, I am utterly shocked that everyone is blowing a situation that eventually will resolve itself like a genocidal travesty. It's ridiculous.

I assure you that there are many issues on this site that the users have felt ignored about. This is nothing new and it I highly doubt it will change either. Read this article and then the comments and see how the users were openly mocked for trying to enforce something they believed. [link] Note the date this was posted. Now you see there have been many incidents.

If you really don't like the way they operate then follow the others to tumblr, gaia or anipan. But please, don't compare it to torture or death out of respect for real people that have had to die that way.
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CrescentNubila Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013
Well, I AM putting up with it since I have no other choice.

Okay, it may have been a bad comparison, but that comment was posted LONG BEFORE the tragedy. Who can predict things like that? Notice the quotation marks around the words "held hostage". That indicates that I knew the webpage problems weren't life threatening in any way. Sheesh!
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mishihime Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think what they did to youtube was worse than this honestly...
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CrescentNubila Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013
I do agree that YouTube was worse, but I eventually just put up with it. As long as they don't mess with the actual videos, it's cool.

As for DA's new submit page, like everyone else, I'm just sucking it up. I do however like the option to click and drag files to upload. You're right though, it's not the end of the universe.
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mishihime Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Does it actually work for you? Or have you experienced errors?
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CrescentNubila Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013
Well, to be honest, it works because it submits the file(s), but I just don't like it. :/ The only thing neat about it is the fact that you can now click and drag files to upload.
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LuckyLilith Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012
What annoys me is the weird way this has been done from the start, from the persistent bugs to the way they selected this test panel. And that they are now starting to ban people who are speaking up against this whole venture. One of them being :iconalexfan101: who started out very reasonable and then just got mad because he was being totally ignored. It's like we're all part of some great psychological experiment here, and I don't know what's really the point. Because it cannot be about GUI-testing a web page, because then it had been done differently and more professionally, instead of this insane way of trying to re-invent the wheel.
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CrescentNubila Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
This sounds exactly like a totalitarian situation. Anyone who rebels is neutralized. >.>

What's gotten into DA?!?
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mishihime Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Alexfan isn't banned.

He was blocked by like one dev, who told him to stop complaining on his page and Alex chose to ignore him. Lilith is eggagerating the situation a bit.
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CrescentNubila Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013
Okay then. ^^; I never would've guess Lilith was exaggerating just by the seriousness of the text alone, but I decided to give Lilith the benefit of the doubt.
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mishihime Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, Alex seems kind of upset judging by his journal. [link]
Also, it's easy to get 'blocked' and 'banned' confused but there is a difference.
But I warn you that if you to comment a lot on an admin or devs page it will be considered harassment and people have gotten banned in the past that way.
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CrescentNubila Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013
Well, if he was told not to post on a page, he shouldn't of. :/ I understand that he was frustrated about being ignored though.

"Blocked" means no access to a specific area/person. "Banned" means no access whatsoever to anything/anyone, right?

Yeah, I had to block a user because he was just obsessive and kept rambling on and on about absolute drivel.
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mishihime Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, that's exactly right.

Also, banned users pages distinctly say "This user has been banned.." or something to that effect. You usually cannot see any of their deviations either.

I rarely block people because I support the right to for anyone to say whatever they like. I think it's a real shame that some artists desperately try to control other people by blocking people that say something they just don't like. It's an abuse of censorship. However, in extreme cases, where I had someone post non stop on my page for a week and it becomes harassment at that point, I will use the feature.
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LuckyLilith Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
Hubris
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CrescentNubila Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
^^; What's Hubris?
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LuckyLilith Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013
When someone thinks too much of her-/himself
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CrescentNubila Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013
Then that title fits DA perfectly since they're becoming very much like a big business.
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mishihime Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Becoming? They have been a business since the start.
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LuckyLilith Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013
Unfortunately yes, when I came here once, it wsa a community.... Then I left and came back to find it all transformed - for the worse
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llirbwerdnadivad Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012
Would you mind showing the WHOLE conversation so that we can understand the context? No offense meant, but only showing the last part of the conversation effectively refuses to allow us to really know what happened, and limits us to your opinion.
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LuckyLilith Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012
I've no problem with that, other than it became a rather large docu. Here it is [link] - however you have to full view to be able to read it.

There was a reply from the admins, to wich I will take the chanse to evaluate my thoughts, still working on it though
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llirbwerdnadivad Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012
Thank you, that does help a lot. :)
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